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Clegg Says Paul Is Un-American?!?!

Sometimes politics upsets me and even depresses me.  Yeah, it's true.  And the years following 9-11 have been tough years for me personally.  They've been tough on every American, especially those who have been called to fight and their families.  They've been tough on everybody else in lots of small ways which add up to one big loss of liberty and prosperity.  And that's why I think the United States should have adopted a very different foreign policy a long time ago -- if we'd done a lot less meddling in the Middle East over the last century, I truly believe the 9-11 attacks would never have occurred and that we would be living in a freer, more peaceful, and more prosperous nation.  Our economy would be much stronger, and as a result there would be less aggression in our society; we would also have lower taxes and lower degree of dependence on government.

Unfortunately, we Americans don't know much about war, and war is a big business of which we should be suspicious.  We know how to watch it on TV, where we are safe from having to see the coffins and other pertinent details, but can any of us imagine being anywhere near the receiving end of a missile?  I can't.  Most Americans can't.  There hasn't been a war on American soil since the 1860's, and compared with the carnage most nations have experienced in the last century, Pearl Harbor and the 9-11 attacks barely even make the list.  People may not be used to hearing that, but it's true.

In the United States, we learn about World War II chiefly through the eyes of our veterans who experienced its horrors firsthand and came home to cope with their various nightmares.  In Europe, by contrast, you can just ask anybody who was alive, and that may be why the European collective consciousness remembers the lessons of war so plainly when Europeans are asked to help invade and occupy a country.  One of my college students in 2002, a freshman girl in her first semester away from Germany, described the prevailing German position as follows: "We just think war is hardly ever worth it."

And after the mess we have made in Iraq, who can argue with that?  (The Germans used to have a different position, you know, but they seem to have learned their lesson.)

Personally, I've never been anywhere near a war, and I never want to go, but I have sat next to a lot of veterans on a lot of barstools, and I've listened to some stories that have made my head spin.  I can sum those stories up in one quote from General William Tecumseh Sherman:"It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell."

It's one thing that we don't see the coffins.  It's at least as bad that we fail to see the pain of soldiers who return from war.  Some of them come back not knowing who their friends are, or not sure.  In the time I've spent holding "Bring the Troops Home!"  signs on the sides of streets, I've been accosted twice and thanked at least three times by ex-soldiers.  Based on that data set, it's clear that the only way to support all the troops at once is to be schizophrenic.

If we observe the media, we're led to believe that candidates like Rudy Giuliani and John McCain speak for all the troops in Iraq and elsewhere, but we have to reexamine that assertion.  We know that the architects of our nation's current foreign policy have been widely criticized for their lack of military experience and failure to interpret simple intelligence, and we should understand that nobody feels the brunt of their mistakes more painfully than our troops in combat.  Unfortunately, it's rather difficult within the military hierarchy for individual soldiers or even generals to register dissent against a bad idea at the top.  Heck, that would be like a police officer speaking out against Drug Prohibition.  So do the soldiers want to come home and stop playing police officer in a civil war?  Well, let's see who they support with their dollars to become the next commander-in-chief.

The answer is actually Ron Paul. 

 

Who is Ron Paul?

Ron Paul is the ten term Texas Congressman who has opposed the invasion of Iraq since long before it commenced.  Ron Paul is a Republican.  And according to even Fox News, Ron Paul has raised more money from military donors than any other candidate for the U.S. presidency. 

This news prompted a number of interesting reactions.  A caller to Sean Hannity's radio show strung Hannity along quite nicely before dropping the news into the host's lap.  Hannity swerved from sweetness into sour.  "Congressman Paul's not going anywhere," he snapped.  "Are you a Congressman Paul supporter?!?!" And we see that yet another friendship ends over this damned war...

Perhaps more telling is this letter from a marine who read this professor's blog, which reports that Paul has raised over 50% of military money given to Republican candidates:

Thank you so much for your article. I am currently in the Marine Corps and I thoroughly enjoyed your article. It boosted my morale and reinforced what I only suspected to be true. I know that Ron Paul is the only one that truly speaks for the military. As an active duty Marine, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. I take that oath very seriously and see Ron Paul as the only candidate that has actually proven through his actions that he cares about preserving our Constitution and our constitutional republic.


If there were more public awareness about Ron Paul and what he stands for, I imagine that he would have nearly unanimous support among military members and veterans. However, his fame is spreading fast and I'm sure a lot of ground will be covered between now and the election in 2008.



Un-American?!?!

In light of all this, consider this juicy tidbit from Kevin Landrigan's Nashua Telegraph column: "'That guy (Paul) is the most un-American person in this country as far as I’m concerned,' said Hudson Republican Sen. Robert Clegg, a big Huckabee backer."

Are the servicemen and women who contributed to Paul's campaign un-American as well, Senator Clegg?  Do you endorse this statement by your strongest supporter in New Hampshire, Governor Huckabee?  And is there ever going to be any end to the Bush-era madness in the top ranks of the Republican Party?

Those of us who think like Paul about foreign policy are not un-American.  We're just looking beyond the surface and seeing what another soldier, Spc. Alex Horton, 22, of the 3rd Stryker Brigade, observed in his blog:

President Eisenhower warned of the growing military industrial complex in his farewell address. Since Dick Cheney can now afford solid gold oil derricks, it’s safe to say we failed Ike miserably. After losing two friends and over a dozen comrades, I have this to say: Do not wage war unless it is absolutely, positively the last ditch effort for survival.  In the future, I want my children to grow up with the belief that what I did here was wrong, in a society that doesn’t deem that idea unpatriotic.

Horton and other soldiers have been blogging aggressively against the war, and military leadership apparently knows better than to think these bloggers can be forced to stop.  Perhaps they know by now to expect blowback.



The Constitution

Paul's prescription for preventing another fiasco like Iraq is that we should follow the Constitution and always require  a declaration of war from Congress.  This would at least require a rational discussion about war by the body of government which is, in theory, closest to the people.  Somebody like Senator Clegg may think that is a nutty idea, and that the president should be more like a king, but the delegation of war power to the legislature was written into the Constitution (by men who had seen war) for an excellent reason. 

Did they really mean it?  Let's ask James Madison, fourth U.S. president and principal author of the Constitution:

"The power to declare war, including the power of judging the causes of war, is fully and exclusively vested in the legislature." 

While we've got Madison on the line, let's ask him what he thinks of war in general:

"Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other."

Madison's views, it appears, would be quite unwelcome at a Republican debate, just as Congressman Paul was quite unwelcome making anti-war arguments on the house floor during the carefully scripted run-up to our invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq.  The media didn't cover it much, but some of us watched him on C-SPAN, even before YouTube; there he was, just being the Ron Paul he is today, telling the truth about blowback and the unintended consequences of aggressive war.

The difference is that now people are listening.

 

Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 at 08:22AM by Registered CommenterMatt Simon | Comments48 Comments

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Wow, great article. My favorite line is:
"Based on that data set, it's clear that the only way to support all the troops at once is to be schizophrenic."

That's very true. I sincerely believe people on both sides (other than the people in Washington) of this issue have the troops at the forefront of their mind. I personally, after having served 16 years in the Air Force - am with Ron Paul. We need to be more deliberate about how we go to war. There needs to be a more full discussion, and a formal declaration.

We'd have less wars, and the ones we got into would be well defined and winnable, unlike the way we do business now.
September 14, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterJim
A real Republican does not call someone unAmerican for being opposed to interventionism. Remember, George Bush campaigned on a platform of NON-INTERVENTIONISM.

A real Republican does not support a Democrat for Governor.

Clegg would seem not to be a real Republican.

Paul on the other hand, is the epitome of the model Republican when it comes to having the best record on taxes, 2nd amendment, individual rights, and preservation of US sovereignty. I think he has the record to prove this.

This is why the RINOS are scared of him and have to lash out.

Don't let anyone fool you into thinking because Huckabee is a warhawk that he is a 'conservative'.

http://www.taxhikemike.org/
September 14, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterReal Republican
A real republican also wouldn't have supported REAL ID.
September 14, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterNate Deleault
Great article Matt!!!!!!!
September 14, 2007 | Registered CommenterRichard Barnes
Matt,

Good for you. When neocons begin ridiculous name-calling (I cannot imagine anyone being so ignorant as stating Ron Paul is un-American!) the you can tell they are nervous.

These are the same people who want the U.S. to join the North American Union and to eliminate the American dollar for the new north American currency "The Amero" (Fred Thompson)

If they were with us today, I know of two men who would be supporting Ron Paul - Mel Thomspn and Ronald Reagan. Would Clegg call those two "un-America" as well? I hardly think so.
September 14, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterMark 'Hound Dog' Hounsell
Thanks for the comments, guys. And readers, if you only follow one of my embedded links, make it the last one. I'll even repost it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldgbOxDX6DE

Matt
September 14, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterMatt Simon
Real Republican:

You believe Sen. Clegg is a RINO? Wow.

He is many things, I am sure, not all of them necessarily printable, but RINO is not one of them.

As for the good Senator's remarks, I don't take them too seriously. They were just Clegg-speak for "I don't like this guy Paul."
September 14, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterMike Emm
Mike,

Where I come from, "un-American" is fighting words. But I'm not that kind of a fighter, so maybe that's why I left.

Back when Gatsas and Clegg were cozying up to Lynch and distancing themselves from Coburn (remember Coburn?), the UL ran a cartoon showing Gatsas and Clegg as actual rhinoceri.

I got a healthy giggle out of it, anyway. The state senate needs a total makeover. Like, maybe we should keep John Gallus and can the rest. :)

Matt

September 14, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterMatt Simon
Great article Matt.

C'mon Mike, don't be a shill for Clegg. The man pooped out of his mouth and rightfully deserves to step in it. He is a grown man who doesn't need anyone making excuses for his verbal vitriol.
What is a man but his word Mike?
September 14, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterSuzanne
Matt

Bob Clegg is a powerful New Hampshire Republican and usually a kneejerk social and corporate leaning Conservative.

He is always opinionated and cocky too.

Glad you called him out on this one.
September 14, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterChaz Proulx
Mike Emm:

I repeat; supporting Lynch, Real ID, and Huckabee while calling Ron Paul 'un-American' = RINO in my book.

Nothing really that nasty, just a pet name that would hint at someone's positions on things.
September 14, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterReal Republican
Real Republican:

The RINO tent must be very big if guys like Sen. Clegg are going to be forced into it. Chaz more-or-less has him pegged- he's a social conservative corporatist.

Are you saying that supporting Lynch makes one a RINO? Mr. Colburn got barely half of the GOP votes, didn't he? Are you drumming half the people out of the party?

Faced with the biggest electoral loss since the 19th century, you "real Republicans" react by turning on each other. It's kind of funny, isn't it? But if that's what you want to do, go at it. As a Democrat, I urge you to have your fun. I would like nothing more than to see your party continue to fracture.
September 15, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterMike Emm
Mike,



I would opine that not much has changed regarding the conservative ideology over time. I don't believe the same can be said for liberalism. It's not beneficial to the cohesion of a party to allow your values to go by the wayside for numbers.

I tend to think conservatives and to a lesser degree, republicans aren't afraid to speak out in opposition to those who do not represent the party platform and ideological values of conservatism. It seems from my experiences in politics, liberals and democrats seem more beholden to power than to maintaining any particular ideology or values.


I too hope the party fractures. I think party fracture is a nature elimination process and is necessary to the perpetuity of core values. However, I would be amiss not to note your use of hoping for party fracture seems to be done in a bit of a nasty, partisan manner.

Frankly however, the only party I'm supportive of, is the one where there's beer.
September 15, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterSuzanne
Ms. Suzanne:

If you believe that conservatives aren't afraid to speak out in oposition to those who do not represent the party well, I would have to say you have not been paying attention to the continuing saga that is the Bush 43 administration. This guy has hijacked your party and its principles with barely a peep from Republican legislators over the past 7 years. Even now they continue to support him, to their shame and probably to their electoral ruin.

Let us hope that we both get our wish, and your party fractures. As a member of the General Court on the Democraatic side, I know we will need all the help we can get to hold our majority in 2008 and continue to do good work for the citizens of NH. If your party is willing to help us by committing electoral fratricide, my response is: Have at it.

You detect a "nasty, partisan manner"? Heaven forfend. I hope I haven't bruised your delicate sensibilities, and will try to plau nicer in the future..
September 15, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterMike Emm
I agree with your first paragraph, 100%. I agree the Bush administration has hijacked the republican party. What you missed, was my point that the conservative ideology has remained constant over time, whereas the liberal ideology has compromised itself out of relevance.

I have no claim to the republican party, play however you like, Mike, my sensibilities are hardy.
September 15, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterSuzanne
Ms. Suzanne:

Glad to hear that you are made of sterner stuff. Somehow I thought that was the case.

At any rate, I generally distrust sweeping statements about political movements, and I think you are wrong about the immovability of the conservative ideology. It's possibly true that your ideology hasn't changed, but I have certainly seen significant changes in the mainstream conservative movement in the past 20 years. The appearance of the neo-cons and their lunatic ideas on US international domination, for one; the toadying to corporate interests, for two; the willingness to forego personal freedoms in the name of increased national security, for three. The marriage to evangelical Christianity and a related growth in intolerance and anti-scientific thinking, for four.

September 15, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterMike Emm
This is what I call dialog Mike.
I has been my experience that when one approaches a topic or conversation from a partisan perspective, it's a one sided conversation and no fun for anyone.

I haven't been politically aware for anywhere near 20 years, I'll definitely give consideration to your observations of conservatism.

My line of inquisition is regarding terminology. Using the term "neo-conservatism" is a clear divorce between conservatism and neo conservatism. It doesn't seem to me that as many people refer to modern liberalism as neo-liberalism. I know some do, but it doesn't seem to be as recognized and wide spread as the term neo-con.
This would indicate to me that there is a desire to make known the disparity between neo-conservatism and classical conservatism.
I don't believe a classical conservative would defend neo-conservatism but I may be wrong.
I will say that I do know for a fact that intolerance is widespread and epidemic in both major political parties, let's not kids ourselves there.
It is also my belief that the perpetuation of partisanship is nothing more than a ploy to keep the little one's busy while the grown up's are up to no good...but that's a whole other topic.
September 15, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterSuzanne
Suzanne:

What is known as classical liberalism is probably closer to traditional mainstream conservatism in America than it is to modern American liberalism.

While many people are running away from the label because of the Iraq debacle, the NeoConservative security doctrine is mainstream Republican belief today, from what I can see. A lot of conservatives criticize Bush for his incompetent execution of the war, not for his decision to get into it. They support Bush's ideologically based "forward-leaning" foriegn policy. They deride Dems and the few Republicans who want a more pragmatic foriegn policy as weak.

September 15, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterMike Emm
I would say that record low satisfaction poll numbers for both Bush and Congress would argue that the neocon movement doesn't have popular support.
September 15, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterSuzanne
Suzanne:

And yet, when I hear the Republican presidential candidates speak, they promote neoconservative positions: expansionist foriegn policy, tax cuts for the rich, and security-security-security
September 15, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterMike Emm

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