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Wednesday
Nov142012

Secession of New Hampshire

Several states, including New Hampshire, have been circulating Secession petitions seeking peaceful withdraw from the Union otherwise known as the United States of America.  Currently 40 states have begun looking for signatures.

At the time of my writing this, Texas is the only state to have so far collected the mandatory 25,000 signatures needed for consideration.  The New Hampshire petition, which can you find and sign HERE, so far has 5,051 signatures.  The deadline for signatures is December 12th.

Mid day yesterday the New Hampshire petition had a little over 2,000 signatures so the number is increasing rapidly and there is a strong possibility that New Hampshire will join Texas in achieving the total number needed.  Even if New Hampshire and every other state that started the petition gets their needed 25,000 signatures I don't expect the federal government to allow secession.

Regardless of the out come here are a couple quotes to consider:

"whenever any form of government becomes destructive of the ends for which it was established, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, . . ." - Declaration of Independence

Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind. - The New Hampshire Constitution

If New Hampshire gets 25,000 signatures as needed by Dec 12th a discussion about what to do next should begin and at that point it should be taken very seriously.

In the meantime, what do you think?  Sound off below.

Reader Comments (17)

Excellent tact to take given the rotten fruit born of the mild swings from R to D to R to D again. For those who want to actually experience – nay, savor! – freedom some time during their lifetime, and not have to rely on some Indian religion to get their just desserts at some nebulous incarnation down the road, establishing a colony of free people in the current State of New Hampshire is the only timely path. Of course, this raises the conundrum of what to call this state of freedom ... perhaps the New New Hampshire?
– C. dog tired of waiting for Master Nanny to unleash
November 15, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterC. dog
Rather odd link to Obama Export Trade Petition, don't you think, Rick? Where do people wishing to be free of Uncle Sam's yoke deport to? GitMo?
– C. dog
November 15, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterC. dog
Excellent quotes you found. Let's look a little more carefully:

"...whenever any form of government becomes destructive of the ends for which it was established, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, . . ." - Declaration of Independence

Since our government was and is established to help Americans be free -- to have their own choice, to be free to be healthy, to be free to marry whom they wish, to be free of those who wouild exploit their labor, to be free of those who would pollute our air and water -- it seems to me we currently have a President who is committed to that.

Then...

Government being instituted for the COMMON BENEFIT, PROTECTION, AND SECURITY, of the WHOLE COMMUNITY, and not for the PRIVATE INTEREST or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and OPPRESSION, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind. - The New Hampshire Constitution

So we should be free of the explotation of corporations and other entities that would make undue profit from us (consumer protections), or underpay us for our labor (minimum wages), or destroy our environment and our own property (regulations and zoning laws).

My use of capitalization of selected words for emphasis is to point out that words DO matter. And our forefathers and mothers were indeed wise in the way they visualized the rich oppressing the poor, the healthy not caring for the unhealthy, the wealthy not educating those who need education, and people who try to pull up the ladder once they have climbed up it and say to others "fend for yourselves; I've got mine."
November 15, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterJim Splaine
Jim's silly comments, trying to re-write history and human nature, always come back to the same old socialist mantra with a dash of homosexual marriage.

Not cool Jim.

Not cool.
November 16, 2012 | Registered CommenterEd Naile
Ohhhh Ed. Thank goodness for our Constitutions. Our forefathers and foremothers knew that in their future we would need to be protected from people who would exploit America for their own purposes.

What a wonderful country we have, where people who are of vast diversity can participate equally in our democracy. Even if they're not rich. Even if they weren't "born here." Even if they're in a minority. Even if they happen to be gay (yes, I wanted to slip that in so I could live up to your perceived image of me).

What did they used to say during the Vietnam War: love it or leave it.

As Bob often says -- let's have fun. Because I enjoy exchanging wits with unarmed opponents. And I like being part of the conversation so that those otherwise informed might see "the other side of the story."
November 16, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterJim Splaine
Jim, I think you need to reread those quotes.

How about where it states the government is "NOT for the private interests".

Wage regulations is a perfect example of government overstepping it's bounds because what an employee agrees they will work for and what a business owner agrees to pay them is "private interest"

To sum it up neatly the sole purpose of government is to protect life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness.

The government oversteps because today unborn life is no longer protected, if you own too much property (ie the rich) government takes it from you by force because as liberals put it you need to pay your "fair share", liberty is stripped little at a time by law seeing to protect us from ourselves (ie seatbelt laws) and happiness was long ago thrown out the window because we may offend someone in our own happiness.
November 16, 2012 | Registered CommenterRick Barnes
As I said, Rick -- thank goodness for the Constituitons. They protect America from those who would otherwise interpret the Constitutions the way they wish. The framers of our Constitutions -- New Hampshire's and the United States, each wrote in provisions that Courts interpret the Constitutions.

Those Courts have decided through the years that taxes and regulations that provide for and protect our COMMON GOOD are legitimate, and needed. And that minimum wage laws are legal. And that the Affordable Health Car Act is legal. And that choice is legal. And they're deciding, little by little, that marriage equality is legal.

To our forefathers and foremothers: thank you for your vision. Thank you for caring for your future decendents. Thank you for protecting the poor and haves-not from the explotation of the wealthy and the haves-much.

Love it or leave it. I'll stay.
November 16, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterJim Splaine
And Jim, little by little these court interpretations push our country further and further into the abyss.

Minimum wage laws, unions, and all that "common good" you are promoting just put 18,000 more people out of work and destroyed the company that brings us Twinkees.

The visions of our founding fathers were long ago tossed out and forgotten. The constitution was written to protect us from Government itself.
November 16, 2012 | Registered CommenterRick Barnes
Nothin' says freedom, Jimbo, like leavin' it up to a bunch of perv priests in black ropes "interpreting" the Grate State bible to protect Jimbo from hurtful talk, change his diaper when he no longer feels like doing it himself, and serve him his Gerber ration when he's decided not to grow his own. That sum uncommonly good stuff, their Jimbo. Can I have another heapin' helpin' spoonful of luv guv so I can gets me my fare share?

By the way, a bus ride to MA-MA land only costs about twenty bucks. But if you're hard up for sum cash 'cuz Uncle Sammy's late with your freedom check, I'll front you the money so you can return to the belfry.
– C. dog does because he cares
November 16, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterC. dog
Poor Jim Splaine, stuck repeating the same old talking points and pretending words mean whatever his heart desires. Passion and dreams over facts.

Not cool.

What were some of the old ones?

The Second Amendment is a group right.

There is an unwritten right to - privacy?

I like this one:

America is responsible for slavery.

Democrats "care" about blacks (so they keep them in ghettos).

No longer cool Jim. Just sad.
November 16, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterEd Naile
Ummm, Rick -- the Twinkee Episode is a story of corporate and CEO greed. In 2004, the unions gave the "company" megabucks in salary, profit-sharing, and benefits, but the CEOs used the extra money to leverage, make bad investments, and give themselves golden parachutes. A little reading in the business websites of yesterday and today will tell you all about the greed.

And what will happen now? "Hostess" is still a name of value, and will be sold -- to the benefit of the Hostess corporation and CEOs still working clean-up of their accounting books, which now will be wiped clean of their financial obligations so that they can skim more from the top, a la the Mitt Romney-Bain philosophy of grabbing money. And the buildings where production occurred are still up-and-running, or soon will be, bought on short dollars by a re-named company.

The rich get richer; the poor get poorer. And the spin is that it's the fault of hard-working women and men. Kind of sad, really. So, get to reading some facts, instead of just listening to Faux News, and learn the real story.
November 16, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterJim Splaine
Class warfare is soooo old school. Not to say it doesn't work.

The politics of greed work both ways.

So here comes more spending than can be paid for to quell the pent up hate and victimization the class warfare proponents sell to the weak.

Not cool.
November 17, 2012 | Registered CommenterEd Naile
Jim, I'm actually working on an article about the twinkie situation, hope you'll chime in.

I'll give a teaser though since you bring up corporate greed...

The union employees averaged over $61,000 a year. And if you took then entire CEO's salary, benefits etc and dropped them to zero you still wouldn't have enough money to give the union more then $200 a year more at most.

More to come.
November 17, 2012 | Registered CommenterRick Barnes
Rick:

I hope this wonderful story of "fairness" and "equality" for the working class ends with the displaced workers starting their own company and getting rich like the curent greedy bastards.

Maybe complaining and bargaining skills can be transferred into some positive venture - or will the newly unemployed sit around until the benefits run out?

The steel mill where I grew up in Pa. closed but the union hall had steps in front loaded with the "victors" for years after the mill was hauled away for scrap.

Class warfare - everyone's a winner.
November 18, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterEd Naile
Well, Rick -- looks like the Twinkies Episode goes on -- the judge has required mediation and not allowed the owners to run away from their employee obligations quite yet. Seems like there's plenty of money to cover employee increases, but the owners just want to union-bust, and a way to do that is to "close," layoff everyone, then re-sell, re-organize, pocket some dough.

Let's say you're right that the "average" salary for employees is $61,000. So, do we want 18,000 employees to remain forever out of the middle class, and be pee-ons? When do they have the chance to climb the ladder of success? Especially if they've dedicated their lives and offered their loyalty to the company. It's the employees who helped make the names "Hostess," "Twinkies," "Ding Dongs," "Ho-Jos," and all the rest. Don't they deserve to be part of the profit?

We'll see how this turns out. Obviously a few people want to make some big bucks from this, run from the employees and underpay a whole new batch (i.e. running to a so-called "Right-To-Work" state, or another country, to find new pee-ons).

But this bankruptcy judge won't let them off quite that easily. Yet. This should be an interesting episode of the rich and monied vs. working Americans. There is justice in the American Dream after all.
November 19, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterJim Splaine
Jimbo, what prevents the employees from buying the assets, or better yet, the whole enchilada? That way they could be sure to keep all the profits to themselves – those greedy bastards – while ensuring they keep their promises to the employees and former employees of unsustainable bene's. Perhaps Jimbo, you could regale us with another ESOP fable as they pull themselves up the ladder by their bootstraps?
– C. dog putting back together the pieces of work to make a pretty picture
November 20, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterC. dog
dog:

I would like to hear about the companies that run just for the employees sake. (Ben and Jerry are slaving away for their employees for sure.)

Unions are corporations and they don't seem to mind not letting their employees unionize.

In fact, some unions have waivers from Obama Socialist Health Rationing.

What if the "judge" ordered the employees to run the company themselves?

THAT would show everybody how a real company works - for about eight months.
November 20, 2012 | Registered CommenterEd Naile

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