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Dec182012

Ban guns and pass the joint

Any time a new law is suggested or passed I like to ask two questions, what is the intent and will it actually accomplish it.

In the wake of last weeks shooting several people have been calling for gun bans ranging from complete and total bans to bans on certain types of weapons.

Their intent is to provide a safer society but will disarming those who follow the law protect us from those who don't?

We already have laws outlawing murder.  Schools are already declared "gun free" zones.

Yahoo's lead story this afternoon about the shooting had an interesting point to consider in addition to those two facts:

Shooting his mother while she slept and preloading numerous rounds of ammunition into the gun clips signals that Lanza was on a mission, O'Toole said.

"He wanted to accomplish maximum lethality," O'Toole said. "He was not out of touch with reality. I think he put some security measures in place so he wouldn't be stopped."

"If you pick older people you are going to have some blowback," O'Toole said. "He didn't want people to interfere. When people take security measures like that, you know what you are doing is wrong."

Which unfortunately meant choosing the most helpless of victims, she added.

When you are assured the area is a "gun free" zone populated by mostly small children who could not over power you that's about as helpless as you can get.

Here are some additional random facts to consider...

Drugs, until recently have been 100% banned and considered illegal but yet nearly anyone who wants them can find places to get them.

Prostitution is illegal in most of the country but even here in NH both men or women seeking someone to service their needs can find those willing to exchange sex for money.

Alcohol was declared banned at one point in this country but yet it furbished in speak easies.  And when prohibition was repealed the Utica Club Brewery was able to begin selling beer within minutes of the law being signed.

When looking at the top 10 countries for violent crime, the US isn't in the top 10.  United Kingdom however is #1.  The US violent crime rate is 466 violent crimes per 100,000 people compared to the UK at 2,034 per 100,000.

Crime rates have risen in countries that have enacted total gun bans.  England's crime rate rose 40% for gun crimes the first two years after the ban went into effect.

Something to think about.

I'm all for laws that keep us safe from others (not ourselves) but so far I have yet to be convinced that any suggest gun bans would accomplish anything beyond a false sense of security.

Reader Comments (14)

So, is there a limit to the size of guns you want to protect -- the number of high-capacity clips you want to continue to allow -- the speed with which those guns shoot their bullets into people? Is there a common ground in your view, or should we just allow everyone to be as well-armed as they wish -- just like our Old West?
December 18, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterJim Splaine
Jim, do you really think that there would be a difference if a killer were to carry 2 guns with 10 round clips instead of 1 gun with a 15 round clip?
This wack job had a high capacity clip, yes. That is true. So he was able to keep 15 rounds in the gun at a time instead of 10 but he also had 2 pistols and he clearly had time to reload at least once during his rampage.

The police took over 20 minutes before the even entered the school. During that time you had a building full of unarmed people unable to defend themselves and whether he had 10 rounds at a time or 15 rounds at a time wouldn't have made one bit of difference.

Also since this guy was intent on killing do you think he would care if he broke another law by obtaining an illegal clip?

Your post is exactly what I'm talking about in this article. It's full of emotion but would anything you suggest have actually made that school any safer?

The bullets he was reported as using were such low caliber most deer hunters wont use them because they wont kill the deer and instead leaves the animals wounded and suffering.
December 19, 2012 | Registered CommenterRick Barnes
Rick:

I have a Mossberg pump that handles 3 1/2 inch shells. A tube full of those with #2 shot and you have just as much carnage.

I also have a Ruger 10/22 that has a 50 shot magazine. I dare anyone not familiar with this gun to pull the empty out and put the new one in without knowing where the little finger lever is in front of the trigger guard. That is the kind of thing where most of these nuts with semi's get their guns jammed.

And Jim has no idea whatsoever what we are talking about. That is why his freedom of speech is so scary.
December 19, 2012 | Registered CommenterEd Naile
That sounds like scary stuff, Ed, and it makes me feel uncomfortable. I would feel better if the government issued free speech licenses to make sure the caliber and clip size of your words weren't so hurtful.
– C. dog prattling and rattling about his cage
December 20, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterC. dog
dog:

You should see my bow.

It is a compound bow, something the Founding Fathers never envisioned.

And it has silencers on the strings.

Surprising they let people just walk around with these things.
December 20, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterEd Naile
That's scary stuff, Ed. License and registration.
– C. dog McGruff taking a bite outta free speech
December 20, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterC. dog
I finally figured it out! I've been wondering for so long what's WRONG with some of the Tea Partiers and right-wingers. I mean, I tell myself they're good people, but they just need to be challenged to think more.

But that's not it!

They just don't like America. They don't like the Constitution, or they want to interpret it in their own image. They don't like our Founding Fathers and Mothers. They don't like our kids, that's why they're against education. They don't like government, that's why they don't like the concept of sharing in the operation of government.

Now I got it.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.
December 22, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterJim Splaine
Jim:

That has to be the most ridiculous post I have ever seen you make. Tea-Partiers and Right Wingers don't like America? I cannot speak for others, but if I do not like something, I sure as hell wont fight for it. And on some level, your statement pisses me off.

My family emigrated from Sweden to come here. My uncles, grandfathers, father and other relatives all served in every stinking armed conflict, war and police action versus going to Canada or burning their draft cards. My Grandfather Edward Wells Allord was killed in May of 1944 and is buried at Henri Chapelle Cemetary. The Henri-Chapelle American Cemetery and Memorial contains the graves of 7,992 members of the American military who died in World War II and is located near Leige, Belgium. Yes, my mother was orphaned at 4 years old.

I served our country in the USMC and my son serves in the U.S. Army. If we hated this country, certainly we would not give two sh1tz about spilling our blood and treasure on foreign soils so people like you could p1ss and moan about everything. That is just sad.

The people you disparage are American Patriots, Love this Country and are sad to see it turned into some hippy socialist Marxist utopianism where the government has utter control over all apects of our lives.
December 22, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterRick Olson
Rick –
Jimbo aside, thanks for your service. And I mean that sincerely, unlike much of what I post to jab Libs.
– C. dog
December 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterC. dog
Interesting that a post I wrote to this thread wasn't shown yesterday, but that's fine. What I said -- I'll say again -- is that I qualified my observation by saying "some" right-wingers and Tea Partiers. Not all -- I know some, and they're sincere in their beliefs and we disagree -- but some Tea Partiers and right-wingers are against American values -- such as equality, freedom for ALL, and sharing our responsibilities in our cities and towns, and our nation.

I added, and will add here -- Rick, thank you for your service. I say that to everyone who has fought in any war, or is or was in any branch of the military. I spoke out against and demonstrated opposed to the Vietnam War, but I thanked all the soldiers who returned from there, many who were my age. And some of them agreed that we needed to get out of Vietnam.

We're free in our nation because of your service, their service, and I will always appreciate that. That doesn't give you the right to claim that you love America more than I or others, but it does give you the right, as I have, to have your own views and to speak out on those views, because you fought to preserve the democracy we have.

I'm as much of an America patriot as anyone I know. But yes, some of the gun zealots, anti-government Tea Partiers, and right-wingers -- SOME but not ALL -- seem to want an America that thankfully never was, and hopefully never will be.
December 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterJim Splaine
Jim:

If you were for "equality" you would not have thrown the transy who won a House Seat in Nashua under the bus.

Its that silence on your part that is deafening.

That is the America you say you live in?

Funny, I thought your America, this new one, would support Ms. Lauglin.

But alas, you didn't even wait for the AG's opinion.

Has the national GLTT crowd caught on to the NH Democrat Party running a legit tran candiate out of a leaglly won seat?

You should write about that more often then you never did.

If you like I will help make up some talking points.
December 25, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterEd Naile
Well, Mr. Ed, I did write a lot about Stacie, but you probably just never read what I wrote because you spend all your time on Faux News and this blog. She's a courageous woman who has had to put up with discrimination fostered by right-wingers, Tea Partiers, and religious zealots through the years.

And while you like your myths, fact is -- Democrats didn't force her out. We celebrated her victory. But for people like you who make up myths like that there was an $800 million deficit left by Democrats in 2010, or that the Iraq War was waged to find weapons of mass destruction, or that the "47 percent" is just about people living off government welfare, facts don't matter.

But fortunately, your myths don't get too far, because only a few people outside of the NHInsider.com community check this blog out -- and those of us who do enjoy the entertainment value, rather than seek out your enlightenment.

NHInsider.com actually has some good features. It could be so much more than it is, but as long as it just focuses on attracting the right-wing converted, it won't be.
December 27, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterJim Splaine
Democrats War on Women begins!

Promise jobs - take guns.

Promise equality - dump on the tanssexuals.

Promise abortion "rights" - no legislation at all.

Promise ratioal debate - deliver extremeism.
December 27, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterEd Naile
But Ed –
You are free to do as Jimbo commands thee to do. Now that's some working, living definition, able to morph as circumstances require.
– C. dog dodging the thumb of Libsanity
December 29, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterC. dog

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