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Apr102009

Is this the NH 2010 electoral hit list?

A gender equality bill, one might suppose, should deal with any inequities between people of different genders.  Seeing as even among the gender 'confused' (regardless of any advances in modern medical technology) there are still only two genders to choose from,  where exactly there is a problem should be one of those universal mysteries left to philosophers and poets, like where did the Big bang come from, or why do Darwinisits ignore thier inviolable theories of evolution when it conveniently suits their social agendas?

To that end the regressive left in New Hampshire have chosen to ignore what even a pair of preschoolers can comprehend in a fit of idle curiosity behind the rhodedendrons (that there are two sets of parts and no matter what you pretned that's it) and has instead chosen to carve for itself a third somewhat unquantifiable catagory-where make beleive (or mental illness, your choice) becomes not just the purview of serious legal deliberations at the highest levels of elected government, but actually emotes as yet defined and well deseved rights to anyone who thinks they might have been born with the wrong set of goodies.

Iv'e just imagined I'm a pony, where's my right to crap in the street during the parade?

These bufoons are wasting your time, your money and your resources.  Deciding that someone's psychological 'decision' to ignore the physical universe entitles that person to imagined rights in the real world is about as retarded as allowing people to jump off buildings because they are certain they were meant to be a bird.  "Well, as long as they don't land on some innocent passersby..."

The pony and the bird get the straight jacket and the daily med check while 188 elected New Hampshire House members give people who might think Willy should have been a Willimina a free pass to party in places where women are sexually vulnerable to men who are not right in the head, but have a right to be that way wherever the mood strikes them?

The next thing you know they'll pass a law that might allow underaged girls raped by "gender confused" men in the ladies room to get abortions without having to inform anyone, even their parents.   Wait a minute...

Is this what you have a government for? 

For your consideration, all those reps who voted for and passed the 'bathroom bill' on 4/8/09. 

Rep Party County District Vote 4/8
Abbott, Dennis Democrat Rockingham 12 Yea
Aguiar, James Democrat Grafton 6 Yea
Allen, Peter Democrat Cheshire 6 Not Voting
Almy, Susan Democrat Grafton 11 Yea
Arsenault, Beth Democrat Belknap 4 Yea
Bailey, Clinton Republican Rockingham 3 Not Voting
Baroody, Benjamin Democrat Hillsborough 13 Not Voting
Bartlett, Michael Democrat Merrimack 11 Yea
Beaulieu, Jane Democrat Hillsborough 17 Yea
Beck, Catriona Democrat Hillsborough 2 Yea
Benn, Bernard Democrat Grafton 9 Yea
Borden, David Democrat Rockingham 18 Yea
Bouchard, Candace Democrat Merrimack 11 Yea
Bridgham, Robert Democrat Carroll 2 Yea
Brown, Carole Democrat Merrimack 8 Yea
Brown, Jennifer Democrat Strafford 5 Yea
Brown, Larry Democrat Strafford 3 Yea
Browne, Brendon Democrat Strafford 4 Yea
Buco, Thomas Democrat Carroll 1 Not Voting
Burke, Rachel Democrat Strafford 3 Yea
Burridge, Delmar Democrat Cheshire 3 Yea
Butcher, Suzanne Democrat Cheshire 3 Yea
Butler, Edward Democrat Carroll 1 Yea
Butterworth, Timothy Democrat Cheshire 4 Yea
Butynski, William Democrat Cheshire 4 Yea
Cali-Pitts, Jacqueline Democrat Rockingham 16 Yea
Campbell, David Democrat Hillsborough 24 Not Voting
Carlson, Nancy Democrat Cheshire 6 Yea
Carr, Daniel Democrat Cheshire 4 Yea
Casey, Kimberley Democrat Rockingham 11 Yea
Chandley, Shannon Democrat Hillsborough 6 Yea
Chase, Claudia Democrat Hillsborough 2 Yea
Chininis, Alexis Democrat Hillsborough 10 Not Voting
Clarke, Claire Democrat Merrimack 6 Yea
Clemons, Jane Democrat Hillsborough 24 Yea
Cloutier, John Democrat Sullivan 4 Yea
Cooney, Mary Democrat Grafton 7 Yea
Cote, David Democrat Hillsborough 23 Yea
Craig, James Democrat Hillsborough 9 Not Voting
Cushing, Robert Democrat Rockingham 15 Yea
Cyr, James Democrat Strafford 3 Yea
Davis, Frank Democrat Merrimack 7 Yea
Day, Judith Democrat Rockingham 13 Yea
DeJoie, John Democrat Merrimack 11 Yea
DiPentima, Rich Democrat Rockingham 16 Yea
Dokmo, Cynthia Republican Hillsborough 6 Not Voting
Domingo, Baldwin Democrat Strafford 5 Yea
Donovan, Thomas Democrat Sullivan 4 Yea
Eaton, Daniel Democrat Cheshire 2 Yea
Farley, Michael Democrat Hillsborough 15 Not Voting
Flurey, Joan Democrat Hillsborough 16 Yea
Foose, Robert Democrat Merrimack 1 Yea
Ford, Susan Democrat Grafton 3 Yea
Foster, Linda Democrat Hillsborough 4 Yea
French, Barbara Democrat Merrimack 5 Yea
Friedrich, Carol Democrat Grafton 6 Yea
Garrity, Patrick Democrat Hillsborough 14 Yea
Gidge, Kenneth Democrat Hillsborough 24 Yea
Gile, Mary Democrat Merrimack 10 Yea
Ginsburg, Ruth Democrat Hillsborough 20 Not Voting
Goley, Jeffrey Democrat Hillsborough 8 Not Voting
Gorman, Mary Democrat Hillsborough 23 Yea
Gottling, Suzanne Democrat Sullivan 3 Yea
Gould, Franklin Democrat Grafton 11 Yea
Gould, Kenneth Republican Rockingham 5 Yea
Grassie, Anne Democrat Strafford 1 Yea
Hackel, Paul Democrat Hillsborough 21 Yea
Hamm, Christine Democrat Merrimack 4 Yea
Hammond, Jill Democrat Hillsborough 3 Yea
Harding, Laurie Democrat Grafton 11 Yea
Hardy, Valerie Democrat Hillsborough 27 Yea
Harris, Sandra Democrat Sullivan 4 Yea
Harvey, Philip Democrat Hillsborough 1 Yea
Harvey, Suzanne Democrat Hillsborough 21 Yea
Hatch, William Democrat Coos 3 Yea
Hebert, Roger Democrat Hillsborough 12 Yea
Henson, John Democrat Rockingham 13 Yea
Hinch, Richard Republican Hillsborough 19 Not Voting
Hodges, Kevin Democrat Hillsborough 7 Yea
Horrigan, Timothy Democrat Strafford 7 Yea
Houde-Quimby, Charlotte Democrat Sullivan 1 Yea
Hubbard, Pamela Democrat Strafford 1 Yea
Hunt, John Republican Cheshire 7 Yea
Hutchinson, Gina Democrat Rockingham 5 Yea
Hutz, Sarah Democrat Strafford 5 Yea
Ingersoll, Paul Democrat Coos 4 Not Voting
Irwin, Anne-Marie Democrat Hillsborough 3 Yea
Jeudy, Jean Democrat Hillsborough 10 Yea
Johnson, William Democrat Belknap 5 Yea
Kaen, Naida Democrat Strafford 7 Yea
Katsiantonis, George Democrat Hillsborough 17 Yea
Keans, Sandra Democrat Strafford 1 Yea
Kelley, John Democrat Hillsborough 26 Yea
Kelly, Sally Democrat Merrimack 7 Yea
Kepner, Susan Democrat Rockingham 15 Yea
Knowles, John Democrat Hillsborough 27 Yea
Knowles, Mary Ann Democrat Hillsborough 27 Yea
Komi, Richard Democrat Hillsborough 12 Yea
Kopka, Angeline Democrat Hillsborough 26 Yea
Laliberte, Suzanne Democrat Grafton 10 Yea
LaPlante, Roland Democrat Hillsborough 26 Yea
Lauterborn, Elaine Democrat Strafford 1 Yea
Leishman, Peter Democrat Hillsborough 3 Yea
Lerandeau, Alfred Democrat Cheshire 6 Yea
Levasseur, Nickolas Democrat Hillsborough 11 Yea
Levesque, Melanie Democrat Hillsborough 5 Yea
Lewis, Robert Democrat Strafford 6 Not Voting
Lindsey, Steven Democrat Cheshire 3 Yea
Lisle, Carolyn Democrat Hillsborough 26 Yea
Long, Patrick Democrat Hillsborough 10 Yea
Lyons, Melissa Democrat Rockingham 8 Yea
Mack, Ron Democrat Hillsborough 1 Yea
Maiola, Anthony Republican Sullivan 2 Not Voting
Mann, Maureen Democrat Rockingham 1 Yea
Marshall, Seth Democrat Hillsborough 23 Yea
Matarazzo, Anthony Democrat Hillsborough 20 Yea
McCarthy, Barbara Democrat Rockingham 5 Yea
McClammer, Jim Democrat Sullivan 5 Yea
McEachern, Paul Democrat Rockingham 16 Yea
McMahon, Patricia Democrat Merrimack 3 Yea
Meader, David Democrat Cheshire 3 Yea
Mears, Lucy Democrat Coos 4 Yea
Merrick, Evalyn Democrat Coos 2 Yea
Merrick, Scott Democrat Coos 2 Yea
Merry, Liz Democrat Belknap 2 Yea
Messier, Irene Republican Hillsborough 17 Yea
Miller, Kate Democrat Belknap 3 Yea
Mitchell, Bonnie Democrat Cheshire 7 Yea
Moody, Marcia Democrat Rockingham 12 Yea
Mulholland, Catherine Democrat Grafton 10 Yea
Nixon, David Democrat Hillsborough 17 Yea
Nord, Susi Democrat Rockingham 1 Yea
Nordgren, Sharon Democrat Grafton 9 Yea
Norelli, Terie Democrat Rockingham 16 Not Voting
O'Brien, Michael Democrat Hillsborough 26 Yea
Osborne, Jessie Democrat Merrimack 12 Yea
Owen, Derek Democrat Merrimack 4 Yea
Pantelakos, Laura Democrat Rockingham 16 Yea
Parkhurst, Henry Democrat Cheshire 4 Yea
Pastor, Beatriz Democrat Grafton 9 Yea
Perry, Robert Democrat Strafford 3 Yea
Petterson, Don Democrat Rockingham 10 Yea
Pierce, David Democrat Grafton 9 Yea
Pilotte, Maurice Democrat Hillsborough 16 Yea
Porter, Margaret Democrat Merrimack 8 Yea
Potter, Frances Democrat Merrimack 10 Yea
Poznanski, Brian Democrat Hillsborough 26 Yea
Preston, Philip Democrat Grafton 8 Yea
Price, Susan Democrat Strafford 3 Yea
Ramsey, Peter Democrat Hillsborough 8 Yea
Read, Robin Democrat Rockingham 16 Yea
Reardon, Tara Democrat Merrimack 11 Yea
Reever, Judith Democrat Belknap 4 Yea
Rice, Chip Democrat Merrimack 12 Yea
Richardson, Barbara Democrat Cheshire 5 Yea
Richardson, Gary Democrat Merrimack 4 Yea
Robertson, Timothy Democrat Cheshire 3 Yea
Rodd, Beth Democrat Merrimack 5 Yea
Rogers, Rose Marie Democrat Strafford 1 Yea
Rollo, Deanna Democrat Strafford 2 Yea
Rollo, Michael Democrat Strafford 2 Yea
Rosenwald, Cindy Democrat Hillsborough 22 Yea
Rous, Emma Democrat Strafford 7 Yea
Russell, Joseph Democrat Rockingham 13 Not Voting
Russell, Trinka Democrat Rockingham 13 Yea
Ryder, Mark Democrat Strafford 6 Yea
Sad, Tara Democrat Cheshire 2 Yea
Sanders, Elisabeth Republican Rockingham 7 Not Voting
Schlachman, Donna Democrat Rockingham 13 Yea
Schmidt, Peter Democrat Strafford 4 Yea
Schuett, Dianne Democrat Merrimack 7 Yea
Schulze, Joan Democrat Hillsborough 26 Yea
Shattuck, Gilman Democrat Hillsborough 1 Yea
Shurtleff, Stephen Democrat Merrimack 10 Yea
Skinder, Carla Democrat Sullivan 1 Yea
Smith, Marjorie Democrat Strafford 7 Yea
Smith, Suzanne Democrat Grafton 7 Yea
Soucy, Connie Republican Hillsborough 17 Not Voting
Spang, Judith Democrat Strafford 7 Yea
Splaine, James Democrat Rockingham 16 Yea
Stetson, William Democrat Merrimack 10 Yea
Stuart, Richard Democrat Belknap 4 Yea
Sweeney, Cynthia Democrat Sullivan 5 Yea
Theberge, Robert Democrat Coos 4 Yea
Thomas, Yvonne Democrat Coos 4 Yea
Thompson, Robert Democrat Hillsborough 9 Yea
Tilton, Joy Democrat Merrimack 6 Yea
Townsend, Charles Democrat Grafton 10 Yea
Tupper, Frank Democrat Merrimack 6 Yea
Vachon, Dennis Democrat Strafford 3 Not Voting
Vaillancourt, Steve Republican Hillsborough 15 Yea
Veazey, John Republican Belknap 4 Not Voting
Wall, Janet Democrat Strafford 7 Yea
Wallner, Mary Jane Democrat Merrimack 12 Yea
Walsh, Robert Democrat Hillsborough 11 Yea
Walz, Mary Beth Democrat Merrimack 13 Yea
Ward, Kenneth Democrat Strafford 2 Yea
Watrous, Rick Democrat Merrimack 12 Yea
Watters, David Democrat Strafford 4 Yea
Webb, Leigh Democrat Merrimack 2 Yea
Webber, Carolyn Democrat Rockingham 4 Yea
Weber, Lucy Democrat Cheshire 2 Yea
Weed, Charles Democrat Cheshire 3 Yea
Wells, Roger Republican Rockingham 8 Not Voting
Wheeler, Deborah Democrat Merrimack 6 Yea
Wiley, Susan Democrat Carroll 3 Yea
Williams, Burton Republican Grafton 8 Not Voting
Williams, Carol Democrat Hillsborough 14 Yea
Williams, Robert Democrat Merrimack 11 Yea
Winters, Joel Democrat Hillsborough 17 Yea
Yeaton, Charles Democrat Merrimack 8 Yea

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Reader Comments (15)

Not voting reps were for reference only. I am not implying that they were responsible for passage. They just can't always be there for every vote.

It is worth noting that 62 reps who did not vote for this bill on 3/26 voted on 4/8; 45 more Democrats and 22 more Republicans.
April 10, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterSteve Mac Donald
Why don't you take a moment and learn what a "transgender" person really has to go through. Have you ever talked with one? They need our understanding, not our myth-making. They need our acceptance, not more bashing. Do a good deed for your fellow human beings and do a little research on the subject. You're Internet-educated, so you can find a lot of good information on-line. As we celebrate Easter and the love that God has for ALL of us, it will be time well-spent.
April 11, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterJim Splaine
Freud was right. The GOP is stuck in the anal-retentive phase.
April 11, 2009 | Unregistered Commenterpinko
People who beleive in UFO's (or socialism) have a right to feel that way, and I feel bad for them if they are ridiculed or ostracised, but it they have a penis, I don't want them having access to public fascilities designated for women.

And if my government decides to introduce language in my name that could be construed to infer such a right, while on a quest to "protect" behavior, I'm against that.

As to the matter of transgendered people making friends or finidng jobs, that's bettween them and thier friends or employers. I wish them well, but not at the expense of the rights of others.
April 11, 2009 | Registered CommenterSteve Mac Donald
Steve,

I find many of these type pieces of legislation are really a weird kind of Democracy. Rights of the individual over the rights of society. Rights of the minority trump the rights of the majority.

This is about the rights of one extremely small group that suffer from actual physical problem of being transgender, a real medical condition, that allows another very small group of people, the mentally ill whose illness causes them to prey on women and children, to have more rights than the larger two groups, Women which are 50% + of the population and Children who are also a large group in the population.

A history professor back in college called this Reverse Democracy!
April 12, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterBob DeMaura
Steve,

So, you have a men's and a ladies room in your house?

It is quite amusing that the people enraged about this are men. Women don't seem concerned about transgendered persons using the ladies room - not even a little. That's because transgendered persons aren't perverts. Republicans in the ladies room - now that's something to be scared of.
April 12, 2009 | Unregistered Commenterpinko
Bob -- this legislation gives NO rights to "the mentally ill whose illness causes them to prey on women and children..." None at all. Anything a person does to harm another person would still be illegal -- this legislation gives no rights to them. Thirteen states have similar laws and there has been no problem. This is about protection transgender people in their workplaces and in housing.

About "Reverse Democracy," what ever happened to the concept of "majority rule, minority rights?" No matter how small the transgender population is, should we discriminate against them?

This legislation also gives no "cover" to someone to go into a restroom to commit a crime. That's a fear tactic that shouldn't be given the time of day. If someone wanted to dress up as a woman (that's NOT what transgender is) to go into a women's room to commit a crime, they're probably doing it right now. If they are just hanging around in there, we have a law against that. If you harass, we have a law against that. If you assault, we have a law against that. Those attacks can occur in a dark corner as much as a bathroom. Transgendered people are not sexual predetors, and this gives no rights to people are are predetors.
April 12, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterJim Splaine
Jim:

I think you are probably wasting your time explaining this. These people are afraid, because things are changing. And when you are afraid your mind shuts down and your emotions take over. Transgenders are particularly easy to attack because theu are "the Other" and most of us do not know anyone who is a member of this group.

I have never heard of a transgender assaulting a girl in a bathroom. Do a google search on the web and you can't find one. If it happened somewhere, anywhere, the fearful would have trumpeted it to the world by now.

As for the idea that somehow this will give cover to the mentally ill to attack our daughters- get serious. If someone is mentally ill enough to attack a woman, they don;t need to do it in a bathroom, and they don't need to dress up as a woman to do so. This is ridiculous- this is a fairytale masquerading as a argument.
April 12, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterMichael Marsh
Steve,

I live in Atkinson, NH and Ed Naile and CNHT have been active in our town assisting a small group of citizens that are allegedly constantly bullied by town officials. Ed's argument is that majority bullies are trampling over the rights of minority heroes. So isn't Ed and CNHT fighting in favor of a "reverse democracy"? If so, you should embrace the transgendered population here in NH and assist them in their fight as well. Either that or get CNHT out of Atkinson as your group is proving itself to be hypocritical, fear mongering, right wing extremists again and again and again and we don't need your "type" in our town
April 13, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterAnon
Home run, Anon. "Majority rule, minority rights" is an important concept. Let's always fight for those who are discriminated against today, because tomorrow that discrimination could be against any of the rest of us.
April 13, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterJim Splaine
Thanks very much Rep. Splaine. It is interesting how they pick and choose whose rights to protect, isn't it? I would assume the transgendered are taxpayers too.

Now let's brace ourselves for the next round of suggestions to Google you-know-who.
April 13, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterAnon
Anon,

You are wrong about "No women" have a problem with this. I am willing to bet if you let every woman in NH know about "transgendered" ie: people with male plumbing using the female bathroom you will hear a ton of outrage.

My wife works in a place where it is nearly all women and everyone she tells about this bill is outraged!

And yes we already have many rules one of which is if you have MALE plumbing you use the MALE bathroom in public places! It should matter not what clothing the person chooses to wear. Any other way to define this requires speculation and guessing as to which public bathroom the person has the priviledge to use.

Ok, so there are no more 'rights' granted but you are eliminating the above plumbing rule which then allows anyone to use the Female bathroom. It may not be a right but it does allow for them to get one step closer by taking away anyone using the Female Bathroom legitimately's 'right' to alert authorities that there is someone there who shouldn't be there.
April 13, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterBob DeMaura
I don't want to open a can of worms, but... I'm assuming that this bill does not mandate that those who are trans gender carry a medical of legal card identifying themselves as such?And I suppose it is prejudicial to ask for proof of identity? What is to keep the average pervert from dawning a dress and assuming the role of a trans-gender just to gain admittance to the public ladies room? Where is my guarantee that when my granddaughter is old enough to enter the public restroom on her own, the trans-gender in the stall next door is legit? Who pays for the bathroom attendant to safe guard her?No problem with trans-gender. The concern is those who who use the bill for their own perverse gain.
April 13, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterLisa Teixeira
A lot of apples and oranges arguments from the supporters I see.

As to the matter of the number of bathrooms in a home, wow, what brilliance. You've convinced me. Not only will I now allow complete strangers into my house to use my "transgendered" bathrooms, I'm thinking they can use them while my eight year old daughter is in the shower. (A privelage no other male in my home is entitled to by the way.)

So is the next expression of legitimate NH government to be genderless bathrooms in all public places? Just a door? Or is there a $250 fine if someone lets that lead ballon go free?

Maybe you guys should get off your high horses and get some reality. This bill may not have been written to allow men into the ladies locker room, but under legal scrutiny it could, so by default it does. And rather than fix it, you not only voted for it anyway, when it failed, you strong armed your party into getting the votes to pass it. There's a "rights" argument for you. How about the rigth to vote your own conscience?

So why stop at transgendered people? What's the point? If the bill has unintneded consequences, and plumbing is irrelevant, why can't I use the ladies room as a heterosexual now? Why haven't you fearless progressives who embrace the coming changes proposed that in a bill, or even in this one, right out front?

Probably becasue it wont pass which reeks of hypocricy. Afraid you'll jepordize your House seat because the "democratic majority" of women, even caring thoughtful ones who feel for the transgendered minorty, do not want anyone with mens plumbing in their ladies room, or locker rooms?

And for the sake of demograhics and rights, what if some percentage of women equal to (or greater than) the transgendered population objects to the idea of a mans parts in the ladies room under even the moast broad minded of cirumstances? Isn't government now trampling on their rights to advance some fringe notion of fairness? Are they? Who has more rights you bastions of democracy and fairness? Women, or men who think they might be women? Or is it legislators who have more rights, and far too much free time to write bills that waste our time and money?

And for the record,(it if matters) I'm not fearful of change or transfigured genderificness of any kind. You are free in your person to do as you like as long as it does not intrinsiclly deny similar freedoms to ohers. And I honestly don't give a rats *ss if you some guy is confused about his gender or wants to wear a dress--although given the advances in the feminist movement you'd think a truely progressive gender confused man would wear a nice suit pant and a matching blouse. Why present the typical 50's repressed housewife image, right? So my issue is that Government is creating rights based on states of mind which cannot be proven or disproven while actually denying existing rights of others, simply because liberal-regressives want this tiny fraction of the population to feel better about themselves. That's just wrong.

The price for that "right" is that women can no longer have any expectation that when they go into a public facility to do their personal business, or to use a locker room or shower that there won't be a man present. You just assume it wont matter to them and then pass a law to make it happen because it feels like the thing to do.

And the notion that someone other than a gender confused person wont take advantage of "opportunity" is ignorant and dangerous. They could, and they might, and they will? That's not enough? How many incidents would it take for you to consider it a mistake? Give me a number. I'd like in in writing for posterity.

It's just a bit arrogant if you ask me.
April 15, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterSteve Mac Donald
[Quote:] ""Ed Naile and CNHT have been active in our town assisting a small group of citizens that are allegedly constantly bullied by town officials. Ed's argument is that majority bullies are trampling over the rights of minority heroes. So isn't Ed and CNHT fighting in favor of a "reverse democracy"? "" [End Quote]

It’s amusing that someone representing a majority party (Rep Splaine), which has used its power to overturn a vote it did not like, thinks you’ve hit a home run in defense of a minority group. He has in fact been party to the exact same corrupt process that exists in Atkinson. And what is that?

In Atkinson, people who already have the right to petition, to speak out at town meeting, to voice concern for the direction of their local government, are being intimidated and cowed by their elected government and a gang of entrenched residents, into keeping quiet, and to even remove their names from petitions the people in power do not approve of. To claim that the effort to restore those rights is reverse democracy is exactly backwards. People who have rights at town meeting are being threatened and denied their right to speak out against what they view as an abuse of power.

For this to even be comparable, transgendered people would have to already have the pre-existing right to use whatever bathroom they felt like denied by some group. That group would be using their influence to make people vote a certain way, to not vote at all, or to change their vote, to prevent them from having that right.

Since there is no such right, there can be no comparison. And what we actually see is the entrenched democrat majority, using its power to force policies it favors over the wishes of those (even in their own party) with the power to object to them.

The democrats in the State House are abusing democracy in exactly the same fashion as the entrenched power in Atkinson. They are using pressure politics to subvert free will to acheive thier chosen 'desired' end.

No home run, you actually struck out.
April 15, 2009 | Registered CommenterSteve Mac Donald

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